Ockham On Pope Converting To Islam & Pope Francis' Islamic Crescent Surrounding Cross Logo

There will be a kind of false peace in the world. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

(Vatican Radio) The logo for Pope Francis’ Apostolic Journey to Egypt, which takes place 28-29 April, has been released by the Egyptian Catholic Church. The three main elements present in the logo are Egypt, Pope Francis, and Peace. “Pope of Peace in Egypt of Peace” are the words in Arabic and English at the base of the logo. Egypt is represented by the Nile River – a symbol of life – as well as by the pyramids and the Sphinx, which highlight the long history of civilization in this African country. The Cross and Crescent Moon at the center of the logo represent the coexistence between the various components of the Egyptian people. A white dove signifies peace, which is both the highest gift to which every human being can aspire and the greeting of monotheistic religions. Finally, the dove precedes Pope Francis to announce his arrival as the Pope of Peace in a country of peace. Source 

William of Ockham on the pope converting to Islam:

Master: Let us assume that someone accuses another before the pope of being a heretic because the accused supposedly holds and asserts that the Christian faith is false, that the law of the Muslims should be embraced, and that Christ was a prophet both false and discredited. After the accusation and the ensuing judicial process, the pope renders a definitive judgement to the effect that the person accused is not a heretic because all of the aforementioned theses stated and asserted by him are true.

Student: Although this is a case that never happened and perhaps never will, I find it difficult to assert that it smacks of impossibility. For it seems that one cannot clearly demonstrate either by Holy Writ or by the doctrine of the church that no future pope will be the Antichrist. It is indeed probable that many Christians through their ancestors who were converted to the faith have long established roots to the tribe of Dan, from which some believe that the Antichrist will be born [For a discussion of this tradition see David Burr, Olivi's Peaceable Kingdom, Philadelphia 1993, p. 150]. And even in our time it is quite possible for someone from that tribe to accept the Christian faith, to have a son born to him, that son being subsequently elected pope, and afterwards clearly showing himself to be the Antichrist. And thus it cannot be known whether some Christian and future pope, with roots in the tribe of Dan, will be the Antichrist. It is, however, established that the Antichrist will unambiguously teach that the law of the Christians is false and that Christ was a false prophet. And the described case does not appear impossible because it is not known that no future pope will submit to the sect of the Muslims. For it may come to pass that even a pope who was at first catholic would begin to consider that the sect of the Muslims was better than the law of the Christians. This pope could initially develop such a strong secret friendship with the Muslims, that having summoned their military might to his side he would dare to openly assert that the Christian law was false and unjust, and force Christians to accept the law of the Muslims. Since it is indeed an established fact that many Christians (including clerks and religious) have been converted to the sect of the Muslims, it does not seem implausible that even a pope might arrive at such a huge insanity. For since a pope is not confirmed in faith (just as no others are), the same point must be contended in his case as is in that of others as to the possibility of being converted to the Muslims. Having therefore presented the suggested exemplary case, proceed to argue in favour of the aforementioned assertion. - William Of Ockham


  1. Should Pope Francis fear Islamic jihadis, or rad trads?


    This kid doesn't sound very Islamic to me! Perhaps he's been reading too much One Peter Five. =)

    1. wow thanks for that!

      Who influenced the teen?

      Ann Barnhardt?

      Steve Skojec?

    2. This idiot wants to be known as "Ahmad Shakoor" and the FBI says he was inspired by ISIS. This really doesn't sound Islamic to you?

      Google is your friend: http://heavy.com/news/2017/04/santos-colon-teen-accused-of-plot-to-kill-pope-5-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/

  2. Trads don't believe in murdering heretics, asshole.

    And if you spent 30 seconds on Google you would find out this Santos character is obviously a Muslim.

    1. I'm an asshole?

      I bet you'd like to punch me in the face!

      you violent goon!


    2. You have a strange fascination with violence. I explicitly rejected violent solutions in my post, and you again accuse me of violence.

    3. gee...you must not be a catholic! If you were, then you would know how sin manifests itself:

      first in thought
      second in word (calling someone an asshole)
      third in deed ........

      i'm sure you've seen plenty of movies where the name calling ends in violence....

      maybe you're a muslim...

  3. I was being tongue-in-cheek, my dear fellow.

    For all I know he is a confused gay boy on Prozac or a Muslim convert.

    However I must question your assertion about "Trads" being non-violent. The ones on Suscipe Domine Forums certainly have a penchant for barroom speech, as does Skojec himself. But maybe they're all talk and no action. =)


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